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Post by lifebaka on May 9, 2005 17:59:58 GMT -5
Do you believe in creationism? Or do you believe one of the many scientific theories? If so, which one?
I personaly have beliefs that fall in between. I believe that some God entity began the whole process, but then generaly left it alone. So God made the universe, but not humans.
Of course, I have no proof of this, or any other claim, so let's not get too heated in this debate.
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Post by lifebaka on May 10, 2005 16:04:58 GMT -5
Well, one thing I have to say, is that evolution IS a theory. But you have to know that in science (and math), a theory is not the same thing that it is in logic. In logic, an idea begins as a theory, and is then proven, and becomes fact. In science, and idea is proposed as a postulate, is proven, and then becomes a theory, to be discarded as soon as something proves it false.
And to all who still want to argue that since it's a theory, it isn't nesecarily true, electricity is a theory. In the same way evolution is a theory. In order to be reading this, electricity kinda has to work, so...
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Post by DaBomb on May 10, 2005 19:58:50 GMT -5
I beleive in science, to be truthful.  |
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Post by lifebaka on May 11, 2005 15:00:37 GMT -5
I guess I also lean in the Intelligent Design direction. But who made us is anyone's guess. I can only hope they're nice.
And I think that the most accepted versions of how it all started should be taught. The children should be able to choose which one they want to believe. It shouldn't be up to beaurocrats.
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Post by DaBomb on May 11, 2005 19:09:07 GMT -5
It's kind of sad, really.
I'd rather not believe that for all my life I have refused to go beyond what my eyes see. I know now that humans are far too primitive to comprehend if a force is out there, and yet I can't prove to myself that God exists.
What is sad is that, when my time comes, if there is indeed a God, I'll have trusted far too much in my senses. When I do die, I'll find that that little faith I could have showed would have been much more worthwhile.
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Post by lifebaka on May 11, 2005 19:34:18 GMT -5
Well, look at it this way. If there is a loving, kind God, he would save you regardless of whether or not you believed in him.
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Post by lifebaka on May 11, 2005 19:42:40 GMT -5
But, I'm just wondering, do you consider pagans satanists?
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Post by DaBomb on May 11, 2005 19:45:20 GMT -5
Would you mind if I asked a possibly insulting question about pagans/Christians?
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Post by lifebaka on May 11, 2005 19:50:03 GMT -5
I only consider something an insult if it's not true.
Anyway, ask away.
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Post by lifebaka on May 11, 2005 19:53:03 GMT -5
Because true pagans are just practitioners of small religions that existed long before Christianity. Some of them are evil, yes, but most aren't.
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Post by lifebaka on May 11, 2005 20:03:51 GMT -5
Good. Now we wait for DB to ask his question.
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Post by DaBomb on May 11, 2005 20:04:17 GMT -5
Ok. Well, I once read about the Pagans worshiping a mischeivous God who had cloven hooves, horns and an instrument. Is it true the Christian chruch purposely changed the general "devil" description to this pagan God, so to make all Pagans heretics?
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Post by lifebaka on May 11, 2005 20:05:42 GMT -5
Well, as much as I hate to say it, probably. Early Christians wheren't very nice people.
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Post by DaBomb on May 11, 2005 20:08:07 GMT -5
Oh, and what is the origin of 666. I heard it was the code for Nero.
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Post by lifebaka on May 11, 2005 20:11:31 GMT -5
Actually the early Christians were a persecuted people. The Pagan Roman Empire hunted us down and often fed Christians to the lions. Nevertheless the Christians continued to worship God and eventually Emperor Constantine ended the persecutions and converted himself. So no the early Christians were not mean at all. In the Renaissance however, things got pretty corrupt. Heretics were burned by the hundreds, indulgences were sold, and until the Council of Trent put an end to this Europe was in a state of religious turmoil. Well, I guess I'm talking about later Christians. With the Crusades and stuff. |
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Post by DaBomb on May 11, 2005 20:16:27 GMT -5
Eyeless and toothless.
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Post by lifebaka on May 11, 2005 20:19:15 GMT -5
Actually the crusades in theory were not all that bad. Perhaps it is my Catholic bias, but they were originally a war to liberate Jerusalem. In 1095 the Turks banned Christian pilgrims from the most Holy City to them, and the only way to solve a problem like that back then was war. Thats not to say the crusaders were all nice themselves. When they did get to Jerusalem the Knights Templar went crazy and killed all the Jews and Muslims living there. The Papacy condemned this and punished the Templar for it but it was still a stain on our history this happened. the Muslims were not all nice either though. When they got to Antioch they massacred over 100,000 civilians. It worked in theory the way Communism works in theory. That is, very well. And in practice, they have proven that they aren't all that effective. (Well, maybe the Crusades were, but at a price.) |
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Post by lifebaka on May 11, 2005 20:31:05 GMT -5
I can't look at either side that way. And now, thinking about it, I can no longer say that our war in Iraq is a good thing.
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Post by DaBomb on Jun 5, 2005 14:47:42 GMT -5
Was it ever?
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Post by lifebaka on Jun 5, 2005 15:45:50 GMT -5
Ummmmm... Before we got there, maybe.
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